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Yale to return Peruvian artifacts
 By Drew Henderson


Sunday, November 21, 2010


UPDATED SUNDAY 11:59 p.m. Yale and Peru are formalizing an agreement to return Inca artifacts found by Hiram Bingham III 1898 to Peru, according to a statement released Sunday night by the Yale Office of Public Affairs and Communications.


The relics will all ultimately be returned to Peru, University President Richard Levin said in a Saturday interview. They will be returned over the next two years, with those most suitable for museum display being returned in time for the centenary of Bingham's scientific discovery of Machu Picchu in July 2011, the statement said.


The artifacts will be housed at the University of Cusco, where research will continue on the collection, the statement said. Once an agreement with the University of Cusco is finalized, the statement said, Yale will work jointly with the University of Cusco to establish a museum and research center for the artifacts.


"This collaboration will ensure that Yale's values in conserving the collection, studying the material and disseminating new knowledge will be extended in a new phase, and in a spirit of friendship with the people of Cusco and the nation of Peru," the statement said.


Reached after the Harvard-Yale football game Saturday afternoon, Levin said he was "quite pleased" that Yale and Peru had been able to reach the "framework" of an agreement regarding the artifacts.


A delegation from Yale consisting of former President of Mexico Ernesto Zedillo, Director of the Peabody Museum Derek Briggs and professor of anthropology Richard Burger arrived yesterday in Peru to negotiate with Peruvian President Alan Garcia, Levin said. In the past, Yale representatives have never dealt with such high-ranking members of the Peruvian government, Levin said.


Peru sued Yale in December 2008 for the artifacts' return. Levin declined to comment on how the new agreement will affect the status of the lawsuit.


In a press release Saturday afternoon, Sen. Chris Dodd, who expressed his support for the artifacts' return to Peru in June 2010, said he applauds Yale's decision.


"These artifacts do not belong to any government, to any institution, or to any university — they belong to the people of Peru," Dodd said.


The artifacts are currently at the Peabody Museum in New Haven.


Comments
Thank you Yale. And shame on you for taking so long.


Posted by fnncld on November 21, 2010 at 2:44 p.m. permalink suggest removal
Finally gentlemen from Yale, I commend you for so good right decision, here from Cusco received the news with great joy. Hopefully everything is realized in the shortest time. Ah! and a correction: the university is not "San Pedro de Abad University in Cusco" but The National University of San Antonio Abad in Cusco (Spanish: Universidad Nacional de San Antonio Abad del Cusco) (UNSAAC).


Greetings.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National... http://www.unsaac.edu.pe/


Posted by fazz on November 21, 2010 at 8:16 p.m.

This is the noble route: Atonement for Yale's clouded history of plunder.


And Geronimo's missing skull: the prankish patrimony of two United States Presidents?


If Senator Dodd could intercede in the Peruvian/Yale stalemate, perhaps the two Yale/Bush Presidents can intercede with Skull and Bones to redress this sacrilige.


Paul D. Keane M. Div. '80


Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 21, 2010 at 9:34 p.m.

PS: For every slave who worked on a Yale building, a full scholarship should be offered to an African American for the next 87 years (the length of slavery in the U.S. : 1776-1863). If there were 140 slaves, then 140 scholarships for the next 87 years.


Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 21, 2010 at 10:07 p.m.

How many scholarships do we offer for all the indentured servants forced to slave for Yale and it's students and graduates? How much for the Irish who died by the millions being persecuted by the very same british colonists who were the bedrock of Yale since it's founding? How much for the millions persecuted under the religious beliefs of graduates of the Yale Divinity School? You really need to seek some counseling for never ending monetr in your closet that is Yale. Really, give it a break or stand outside Phelps Gate with a drum and loudspeaker every weekend.


Posted by harbinger on November 22, 2010 at 2:16 p.m.

Slavery is qualitatively different.




Legalized selling of human beings is legislated evil. Your examples are just the humdrum hatred, stupidity, and conceit of humanity, even the so-called "divines" of humanity.




Slavery is premeditated.


It is voted upon.


It is deliberated in a Supreme Court (Dred Scott v. Sandford, 1857)


It is the evilest of all evils.


Go beat your own drum.


Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 22, 2010 at 4:52 p.m.

PS:
What do Peruvians, Geronimo's people. and slaves have in common?


Colored skin.


We are talking about Yale's documented Institutional Racism.


Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 22, 2010 at 4:55 p.m.

How does giving rich African Americans full scholarships to Yale (the poor and middle class - in any definition of middle class applicable outside of Yale - already receive huge amounts of financial aid) achieve anything for the world? Or redress slavery?


Also, as a matter of historical fact, given that the vast majority of Yale buildings were built since the Civil War (in fact, since 1900), I'm guessing it will turn out that not too many slaves were involved in building them.


As for Yale's institutionalized racism, how about its well-documented history of institutionalized racism against Jews? Or its history of institutionalized sexism? Of course, in both these examples, as while as the things you complain about, Yale was participating in a national (if not worldwide) culture of racism, sexism, anti-Semitism and the like. Applying your completely nonsensical solution for these problems (which consists of randomly choosing numbers associated with them and recombining in new patterns), I think that we should determine the number of slaves involved in building the US Capitol and require that number of congressmen and women be African-American for the next 87 years (that is, if 5,000 slaves were involved in building the Capitol, then 5,000 of the 535 members of the House and Senate should be African-American in every legislative session from now until 2097). That makes about as much sense for redressing the history of slavery and racism in the US government as your idea does for addressing those problems at Yale.


Posted by SY10 on November 22, 2010 at 8:33 p.m.


Don't cheer yet. Only time will tell whether Cusco really maintains the scholarship and international accessibility that these treasures of our shared human heritage deserve, or if this is just a spin on selling out scholarship for tourism dollars and a boost to cheap nationalistic pride for a country that has existed for only a few decades and is built on the oppression of a people whose descendants it now wants to turn into poster children for national identity. Will this turn out to be a disaster of a token gesture like Greece's new national museum projects? It is a GOOD THING that the Elgin Marbles remain safely in London. Please, Yale, wait until Cusco is truly ready for them. They are worth too much to the world to be used as a political plaything by such a young country with so little intellectual infrastructure and so little presence on the world stage.


Posted by prion on November 22, 2010 at 9:56 p.m. 


Ten years ago I spent a week at Amherst College at a Seminar on Slavery sponsored by the Gilder-Lehrman Institute of American History.


Reparations were a hot topic of discussion.




My "nonsensicaL" suggestion was only for Yale. I would have the entire country guarantee national health care for 87 years to 12 million African Americans (see data below).


Nonsensical?


Only to the whites in power.


" In "The Atlantic Slave Trade and the Holocaust" ("Is the Holocaust Unique", A. Greebaum, ed., 1996), Seymour Drescher estimates that 21M were enslaved, 1700-1850, of which 7M remained in slavery inside Africa. 4M died "as a direct result of enslavement". Of the 12M shipped to America, 15%, or 2M more, died in the Middle Passage and seasoning year."


Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 23, 2010 at 5:15 a.m.


My "nonsensicaL" suggestion was only for Yale. I would have the entire country guarantee national health care for 87 years to 12 million African Americans (see data below). Nonsensical? Only to the whites in power.


Or to me, who is neither white nor black, whose parents were not born in this country and who has no intention of paying blood money for an evil committed by long-dead men unconnected to me.


You are the worst form of bigot, PK.


Posted by River Tam on November 23, 2010 at 11:58 a.m.

River Tam,

Personal name calling is beneath your dignity. I am ashamed to have reduced you to this.

PK


Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 23, 2010 at 3:44 p.m. 

River Tam, Personal name calling is beneath your dignity. I am ashamed to have reduced you to this. PK


bigot (n): a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own


You wrote


My "nonsensicaL" suggestion was only for Yale. I would have the entire country guarantee national health care for 87 years to 12 million African Americans (see data below). Nonsensical? Only to the whites in power.


Translation: if you do not share my opinion, you are a white racist who is clinging to power.


Posted by River Tam on November 23, 2010 at 4:21 p.m. 


PK,

 I thought you were being satirical in your first reparations post, but with your follow-ups, maybe not. Of course, they say the best satire is one that people can't tell is ironic or not.


I thought the Geronimo's skull being at S&B was already debunked by YAM last year.


Posted by Branford73 on November 23, 2010 at 4:31 p.m.

Branford73:


Not debunked. Just denied.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/yale_secrety_society_skull_bones_wins_lawsuit_over_geronimos_remains/


PK


RiverTam,


If the shoe fits . . .

PK


Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 23, 2010 at 4:52 p.m.

Here’s the YAM article I was thinking of. Conclusion equivocal. Bonesmen of 1918 believed it.


http://www.yalealumnimagazine.com/issues/2006_05/notebook.html


“Some researchers have concluded that the Bonesmen could not have even found Geronimo's grave in 1918. David H. Miller, a history professor at Cameron University in Lawton, Oklahoma, cites historical accounts that the grave was unmarked and overgrown until a Fort Sill librarian persuaded local Apaches to identify the site for him in the 1920s. ‘My assumption is that they did dig up somebody at Fort Sill,’ says Miller. ‘It could have been an Indian, but it probably wasn't Geronimo.’ "


I concluded it was a case of blowhard braggarts creating a legend for themselves.




Posted by Branford73 on November 23, 2010 at 6:47 p.m.

You may be correct. But isn't it possible to test the skull at Skull and Bones?




Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 23, 2010 at 7:46 p.m.

Embedded code for Ramsey Clark Press Conference on Geronimo's skull lawsuit. Apparently this code did not take on the previous post. I will try one more time here:


Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 23, 2010 at 7:48 p.m.

Ramsey Clark Press Conference on the Geronimo's Skull lawsuit can see seen at http://theantiyale.blogspot.com


For some reason the YDN posting board is not accepting my paste of the embedded code from YouTube. I have repeatedly (3 emails) complained to YDN about the irregularity of their posting options, buut they have not had the courtesy to answer my emails.


Paul Keane


Posted by The Anti-Yale on November 23, 2010 at 7:55 p.m.